Why spend $63k on the new M3

"Saracen" (manualdoucheelitist)
03/13/2014 at 13:54 • Filed to: Nice Price or Crack Pipe, NPOCP

When you can have an over-accessorized 328i automatic instead?

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/…

DISCUSSION (88)

Tom McParland > Saracen
03/13/2014 at 13:56

You know how some people when they are inside an elevator hit all the buttons, I feel like someone did that on the BMW configurator....CP

Brian Silvestro > Saracen
03/13/2014 at 13:56

Because you're a tool who just wants to show how cool you are!

Party-vi > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 13:58

Nobody is cool in a 328i.

Brewman15 > Saracen
03/13/2014 at 13:58

It's for sale at 'Peter Pan' BMW. 'Nuff said.

HammerheadFistpunch > Tom McParland
03/13/2014 at 14:02

Brian Silvestro > Party-vi
03/13/2014 at 14:02

The other tools don't know that once you take off the badging (like a tool)

N/A POWAAAHH > Saracen
03/13/2014 at 15:00

Lol half the pictures are of the dealership, supposedly in the Town of Neverland

Makoyouidiot > Tom McParland
03/13/2014 at 15:45

Normally I'd be all like. "But stripes!" But I can have a vinyl stripe put on for 150 bucks. So. No.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 17:52

You're hurting my feelings Brian.

I love this car. I'm planning a trip to the dealership now. I'm going to call them and see if they'll take two of my cars in a trade for this one.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 17:54

Kinja'd!!!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 17:58

Come on it's not that bad.

I mean isn't dat 328i with the stripe worth an E46 and E90 M3? It gets much better gas mileage. And it has electric power steering. And less cylinders. And less engine and exhaust noise. And it's slower so less tickets.

Overall it seems very logical to me.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 18:06

Oh yeah I forgot how good the stripe is. And the electric power steering means you'll have to pay attention more because it's not as accurate. And everyone knows less cylinders = more fun!

You're right Rusto! Just make sure you give them all three cars, or else they might take off the stripes.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 18:15

Oh crap you're right. I might need to throw in the P car just to get the stripe.

Well at least my insurance premiums will be WAY lower!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 18:22

Yet another positive to getting this car!

You can't NOT get it now

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 18:24

Here is the best part of the ad:

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FEATURES and OPTIONS

This vehicle comes equipped with Leather Interior Surface,

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And that's it. Thanks Penske!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 18:27

I'm about to drop everything and sell some organs

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 18:40

stripe + leather = $63K fo sho

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 18:47

Well thats why it makes sense, bro

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 18:59

the dealer should also stance it.

then they could sell it for an extra $15K!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 19:02

Duh! I'm surprised they haven't capitalized on that yet. Straight pipes, a huge spoiler, and a dangerous, incorrectly installed roll cage too!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 19:06

LOLOL

They'd have to make the customer sign a waiver understanding that the car is no longer street legal. The customer could only drive it on public roads at their own risk.

They could also unlatch the hood for the customer for them and install the red tow hook that you use when racing

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 19:14

Don't forget the subwoofers!

Also, this may apply to you!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 19:16

thanks for that info

so our gov says it's not a big enough problem to warrant a recall

dunno if i trust them...

you think i'm going to die if i don't have this looked into?

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 19:19

It probably only affects a few examples of the car, so yes , you're going to die.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 19:41

probably true. my luck is bad with a lot of stuff

i'll probably meet a model who isn't crazy that wants to marry me and then crash the car and die a week before the wedding

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 19:43

Well that would ruin your day for sure.

I guess the only logical thing to do right now is trade in your 911 for a 458 before it kills you!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 19:47

LOLOL

trade in potential loss of control for potential fire while in car

that's like trading in one version of kinja for another

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 19:49

LOL yes, perfect comparison.

At least with this version you'll be able to have fun

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 20:34

ok you need to tell your dad that if he actually loves you he needs to get you this car:

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/so-fine-154346…

oh wait, no manual or dct. damn it

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 20:36

The auto transmission is the only thing that holds me back from really falling in love with the F-Type, it's so beautiful though.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 20:38

this specific car with the special paint job and mods to the body is freaking amazing

you're going to be mad that i said it but i think it might actually be more beautiful than an aston

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 20:39

More beautiful than most I'll actually agree with you there. It's sex on wheels.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 20:39

it's a shamockery that there is no stick!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 20:42

Agreed! It would be a perfect car if it had a stick!

The F-Type R is pretty badass though. And the SOUND

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 20:55

it will be such a good car for the money once they (hopefully) release the stick

i'm having a sort of calm peace right now. even though i can't afford another car yet my mind is made up, at least for now.

i want the F430 in red with the gated shifter. i don't care how long it takes to save up and how long it takes to find the right car. i also want the spider since i've never owned a convertible and the main use of the car will be pleasure and not track use.

not having to keep thinking about what to do once i'm ready is a relief. now i may change my mind at any moment. but for now a car just like this one that i had shown you is exactly what i want!

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/…

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 20:58

Wow it's so nice! I'm glad you finally settled on something, no arguments here. I don't think anyone will argue with a 6MT 430, they're awesome!

But I'm sure as soon as you see a newer Gallardo, 458, or even a Huracan drive by you one day, you'll be right back to square one lol!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 21:00

i know that some gearheads think that convertibles are for girls and gays. but i don't give two fuchs about that. cause i like girls and gay people and not worried about someone calling me either one, haha. i'm confident enough about myself not to worry about what people think about the car i bought. if i was in love with the California i would buy it even though people rag on that car.

and i know you're right. i'll see something else and it might mess up my brain. but i'll have to deal with that then. for now i'm at peace, haha

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 21:03

I don't think I'd have any trouble driving around in a convertible Ferrari. I did drive around in a Boxster for awhile and I got nothing but praise! So that wouldn't be an issue I think (I'm pretty sure that stuff stays on the internet to be honest, it's really blown out of proportion)

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 21:08

yeah that stuff gets blown way out of proportion!

people say "the boxster is a chick car" all the time. but if you pull up in one they think it's sweet and want to go for a ride.

people are dumb!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 21:09

I think they're just jealous.

Wait, that's the only explanation.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 21:41

true!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 21:56

I'm actually thinking if I can't get a Lotus, that I should really try to get a Cayman. I can probably afford it if I get a '09 or later refresh model.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 22:18

Omg really?

I was going to say Cayman the other day but didn't think your Dad would allow it.

If you can get a Cayman with the DFI engine then DO IT. It's reliable. It's fun. It gets good gas mileage. It's a Porsche! And it's way safer than a go kart Lotus!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 22:22

Which ones have the DFI engines?! The '09s or later? Since my dad is fond of Porsches he might allow it.

It's also pretty usable/practical!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 22:25

It's a great car! Sometimes I wish my 911 was a Cayman. Then sometimes I'm glad it's a 911. I can't make my mind up :)

The DFI engine came with the refresh. The 997 got the refresh starting in 2009. I believe the Cayman got it the same year as well.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 22:28

Hmmm, now I'm just wondering whether I should get the PDK or Manual. I'm leaning towards manual though since I won't be doing much commuting with it.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/13/2014 at 22:33

It's the hardest decision. It goes back to what I was saying before about not knowing where your future jobs will be.

The safest thing to do is buy PDK so that you can commute to anywhere anytime.

But the most fun thing to do is go 6MT.

One big justification for going 6MT - Porsche was really dumb until recently with their PDK. They insisted on using Tiptronic-like toggles on the wheel for shifting gears instead of paddles like ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of all other car companies. Paddles were an extra option so it's very hard to find a good deal on a 997 or Cayman with PDK and paddles. I would not want PDK with toggles at all.

So go 6MT and just plan for success. Make sure to get a good job so you can afford a place with 2 parking spots in case you want to keep the car and buy a 2nd car with no stick. Or if you have to sell it but are making good money you can live with the loss when you sell or trade.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/13/2014 at 22:36

I know! It's so difficult to choose. Is their any difference in reliability between older and newer PDKs? And everywhere I look they have those awful toggle switches. I tried using them but their so bad. But I've heard you can switch it out for a paddle steering wheel.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 00:51

I never even looked into the cost of switching out a proper steering wheel! If it's not insanely expensive then it would be a viable issue.

I have not heard of any issues with early PDKs. My Dad used to have a first year Panamera and he had other issues but none with PDK.

PDK seems to have been very reliable right from the start. Porsche waited until they perfected it to launch it. They were really late to the party in 2009. Ferrari and BMW had paddle shift transmissions since the late 90s. Even VW had beat Porsche to market with a DCT. But people say Porsche didn't want to do it until they were positive about it. And I've read they started developing PDK decades before they launched it! They wanted to launch it in a 911 Turbo in the early 90s but couldn't get the tech or cost right.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 07:52

That's good to hear. That makes the decision even harder!

Look, I found one with paddles: http://www.cars.com/go/search/deta…

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 16:35

Haha it does make it harder! If the PDK was crap then you could just go stick.

That one you found is nice. Seems like an OK price for a 2011.

You know which Cayman ALWAYS has paddles??

The Cayman R. You should totally get it :)

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 18:15

The same dealer has a badass Cayman R with Paddles, it's awesome. But it's about $30k more :(

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 19:11

They are WAY too expansive.

It's cheaper to just buy a used 997 C2S

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 19:13

Yeah they're at the same price, and for the same money, would you rather have a 911 or a Cayman? That question gets harder once you factor in the R.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 19:16

I would go 911

Cayman is good when you can get it a price much better than a same year 911

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 19:23

Yeah, that's true. And it works for 09/10/11 model years.

I'm still doubtful about whether my dad will let me buy it.

Guess I'll have to resort to a Fiesta ST...

*starts crying*

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 19:26

Don't give up!

Get a base Cayman 6MT for rhe lowest price possible !

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 19:46

There are literally zero 6MT Caymans for sale right now near me that are '09 or later, which is shocking. But I'll keep searching.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 20:38

This IS a car worth making a trip for.

I'll find you a clean no rust 6MT 09 in CA!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 20:41

I'D make the trip anywhere for a good car! But my dad limits pretty much everything I do that's car related.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 20:58

i know, that's the issue. ugh

how can we bribe him to come to CA?

does he like wine tasting? we have napa and santa barbara and temecula!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 21:03

Nah that's not his style. He goes to San Francisco like once or twice a year on business though. But that seems like too much effort unless it was a perfect car for my needs like a rare 6MT 430/Gallardo. Caymans are something that'll come and go for years no problem.

I still want an Alfa to be honest...

I need to buy something useful and practical now so I can use it for 10+ years easy. I'd rather have a PDK in case I need to commute all the time.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 21:06

You can't get the Alfa. Put it out of your head. He will not allow it!

I wish he came to LA twice a year. Then it would be super easy for me to pre-screen a car you wanted and couldn't find by you, then have the owner meet your Dad. If your Dad liked the car then he could put down a deposit and you could fly out to get it and drive it home.

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 21:52

That would be the best! Too bad.

I'm just trying to think into the future. If I buy a cheaper commuter car now, I can save up and get the Alfa as a second car. But I still want to have a fun driving car before I can afford 2 cars! I feel like the Fiesta ST would be fun at first but would start to bore me after a few years. A PDK Cayman would be perfect. Fun to drive, roomy/practical, and easy to live with day to day. I might regret not getting a manual though...

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 22:07

Don't be practical!

Go balls out!

Get a PDK Cayman and then get the Alfa later too!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 22:21

You're right! I'll just be like you and work hard like you so I can get all the car.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 22:28

we'll be the two crazy guys that spend all of our money on cars!

sometimes i get the crazy idea of selling both bimmers so i can get a 6MT F430 sooner. but that would be lunacy! two nice stick shift cars. one with no back seats and one with back seats for little people.

i'd get mad jalop cred but it would also not be very practical, haha

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 22:31

Yeah you'd probably have a hard time y'know, doing things. But I have a feeling it would be worth it.

You can always buy a Fiesta ST for when you absolutely need 4 seats/space.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 23:04

that wouldn't be possible. cause i'd have to get it with a slushbox to have one two pedal car. and i hate slushboxes!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 23:06

I think you should just wait until you're comfortable with selling the 911. This way you're options and budget will be far more versatile.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 23:08

that is logical. but i just bought it and paid sales tax. so i can't sell it anytime soon, even if i do decide to risk pissing off the porsche gods

i need to keep it at least 3 more years

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 23:10

Damn, that's too long to wait for mid-engined supercar goodness. Guess you'll have to use both.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 23:20

i know. which is what motivates me to work hard. it's 8:20pm on a friday and i'm still working!

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 23:22

Totally worth it I'm sure! So much motivation in the form of cars. It's good to know what you're working towards.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 23:30

cars and girls. those are the only two things i care about, haha

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 23:32

I just bought this T-Shirt

Kinja'd!!!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 23:36

haha that is awesome

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/14/2014 at 23:38

It expresses my priorities (the title of the shirt) perfectly. If only there were an easy way just to buy like a 3-car garage with enough room for a bed and bathroom. That would be perfect, and I'd more money to spend on cars!

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/14/2014 at 23:41

lol it could be done in some areas! buy a lot and build it

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/15/2014 at 08:40

When I have the means I just might lol.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/15/2014 at 15:49

Do it!!

I have the land to build more garage space

It will take a LOT if money though cause the slope needs to be pushed back

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/15/2014 at 15:54

Hahaha now I really want to.

Now that I'm home from college, my dad has narrowed my choices down to basically two options.

1. He'll let me take his Mercedes (for free) to college/to use as my own. I asked him if he can transfer ownership to me so I can just sell it before it depreciates any more, but he said no.

2. OR I have to buy a Fiesta ST.

I'm wondering if I should just save my money and drive that awful car, or buy my own.

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/15/2014 at 15:59

Omg the answer is so easy!

Take the free car! He's taking the depreciation hit!

Free always wins! No matter what. No matter how much the car sucks.

Drive it and save up his offer to buy you sketching until later!

Plus girls won't know the car sucks! They'll think you're a high roller , haha

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/15/2014 at 16:03

hahaha I always consider myself a high roller anyway.

I'm not actually getting the car, he's just letting me drive it. He'll retain ownership. I just hate driving that car, and I know I'll break it the first time I autocross it (which I'm going to do regardless of the car).

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/15/2014 at 16:07

I know you're not getting it. That's what's so perfect! He takes the depreciation hit that way, not you. Do it!!!!

And check this out. 360 CS for the same price as a F430 Scud

I thought you'd like this 2004 Ferrari 360 on AutoTrader.com.

http://m.autotrader.com/vdp.html?id=36…

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/15/2014 at 16:10

Holy shit that's so expensive! Why the hell are they so much?!

Pricing them like that makes no sense. Why wouldn't you get a Scuderia then?

Manuél Ferrari > Brian Silvestro
03/15/2014 at 16:15

I Dunno!!!

Maybe more rare?

But who cares?

The Scud stomps all over it

Brian Silvestro > Manuél Ferrari
03/15/2014 at 16:18

Exactly. You'd have to be insane to buy a Scuderia nowadays.